Гори. Грузия.

[natali_tasha]

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На сайтах норвежских газет и в фотолентах появились фотографии последствий сегодняшней бомбардировки грузинского города Гори.


© Глеб Гаранич/Reuters


© Глеб Гаранич/Reuters


© AP Photo/Георг Абдаладзе


© AP Photo/Георг Абдаладзе


© AP Photo/Георг Абдаладзе


© AP Photo/Георг Абдаладзе

Comments

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Well, you are wrong with respect of claiming that Russia does not have mandate of UN. You are just putting everything upside down!

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

Well, with respect, you're wrong by claiming that 58 Army of R.Federation has UN mandate.
58 Army is not a peacekeeping force, and has no right to be in Georgia. It means that R.Federation is aggressor who invaded Georgia.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Russia HAS mandate for presence of its peacekeepers in South Osetia and Abkhasia. In SO they were attacked by georgians, which led to reinforcements of russian peacekeepers.

On the other hand, georgian president hours before the begining of bombardment of the city of 30,000, seggested to SO to start talks.

Now, on the orders from Saakaki the whole city was razed to the ground, killing 1,500 civilians. According to mandate steaming from argeement signed by Georgia as well, the cilivians killed were under protection of russian peacekeepers. To say more russian peacekeepers (RP) were also killed by georgians. RP did not have orders to return the fire, so geordians killed de facto unarmed RP.

Russia has all rights to respond with force. That is what it did. Not a single western goverment has accused Russia of aggression. To say more, US has refused request by Saakaki to military intervene, which in itself speaks volumes.

More over, even georgians retreat completely from OS, Russia now has all rights to continue bombardments of military objects, including barracks, inside Georgia to reduce its military potential.

So, you may have opinion that Russia is an aggressor, but it will not reflect the truth and real facts. Hopefully your own political establishment will learn a lesson. Nobody is asking them to fall in love with Russia. But they must respect Russia. And this respect is lucking in our goverment, as it was clearly shown during recent selebration of baptism of Rus.

May be this article from Time magazine would be of some help to you
http://anikonov.livejournal.com/301214.html

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

Russia has escalated the crisis in Georgia through its clear and continued violation of Georgia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. On Friday, Aug. 8, Russian military forces invaded Georgia. I condemn Russia’s aggressive actions and reiterate my call for an immediate ceasefire. Russia must stop its bombing campaign, cease flights of Russian aircraft in Georgian airspace, and withdraw its ground forces from Georgia.

The situation in Georgia also requires the deployment of genuine international peacekeeping forces in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The current escalation of military conflict resulted in part from the lack of a neutral and effective peacekeeping force operating under an appropriate UN mandate. Russia cannot play a constructive role as peacekeeper.

Obama talks to Rice about Georgia, condemns Russia
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12419.html

Once more:
58 Army of R.Federation is not a peacekeeping force, and has no right to be in Georgia. It means that R.Federation is aggressor who invaded Georgia.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

You mean there was no escalation, when georgians were shelling the city from "Grad" and tried to overrun the city???

In order to prevent future georgian military incursions on the territory of South Osetia, Russia will do whatever it needs to do to olitirate the georgian military capabilities. Period.

Obama is not a president, he needs to be elected in order to became elected. Show me oficcial condemnation of Russian action in SO by US goverment. Do they call Russia an aggressor? I am not interested in your condemnation, as, I assume, you are not interested in mine of what Yuschinko did on the last visit of Alexii II to Ukrain and Yuschenko's mendling into Church affairs.

As for your own opinion, you may proclaim that sun is of blue color, but sun's would not tint into bluish spectrum on your words.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

- "...You mean there was no escalation, when georgians were shelling the city from "Grad" and tried to overrun the city???..."
It's not only my opinion, as you can see.
Also look here
http://herectus.livejournal.com/42360.html
before accusing Georgia.

- "...Obama is not a president..." And what about Rice?

-"...Show me oficcial condemnation of Russian action in SO.."
O,... wait for tomorrow, you won't miss it, and it will be not only USA.

58 Army of R.Federation is not a peacekeeping force, and has no right to be in Georgia. It means that R.Federation is aggressor who invaded Georgia.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Lets wait till tomorrow.

Oh! Rice may express her own opinion just like you.

As I said before, your wishes would not turn sun blue.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

There could be "condemnation" on part of Yuschenko, who seems to have a soft-boiled egg instead of head.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

((((:
your wishes would not turn sun blue.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, it is, so to speak, chips that are flying from the forest that Saakaki started to cut. Look at another Natasha's post with photos from Tskhinval.

Unfortunately, I cannot blame russians for this victim. Gori had a military base on outskirts of the city. What Saakaki was thinking when he started killing what he claims him "compatriotes"? Russia was nor present there when georgians killed thousands of osetians and destroyed Tskhinval in 1992. Then russians were called in by georgians as well to help to solve the problem.

What military base was in Tskhinval this time? Why saakaki used Grad, tanks and warplanes against the city? He used it first, killing russian peacekeepers.

On friday I said that I would not blame russians if they bomb center of Tiphlis and I do not.

Saakaki is a mad man.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Are you talking about soft-boiled egg instead of head? :)

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

I was talking about your opinion that Rice's opinion equal to mine.
What and who you blame - is nothing but your own opinion.

We'll see who will be blamed by international community from Monday.
Will it be Georgia, or R.Federation, aggressor, who invaded and bombed sovereign state.

p.s.
Who is Saakaki?

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Then hold your tong till Monday, as it will be less embarrasing to you.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

hold your tong till Monday, as it will be less embarrasing to you. OK?

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/10/europe/EU-NATO-Georgia-South-Ossetia.php

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Do not get upset, it will affect the color of your face. Give me official condemnation. Till then - dismiss!

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

Judging by your reaction to your own words, o general from the internet, something's wrong with the colour of your face.
((:
Hope your intellectual abilities allow you to find that FIRST official NATO statement about R.Federation invading Georgia, on the net, by yourself, otherwise you'll need to wait till Monday to hear about R.Federation as aggressor but from somewhere else.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Certantely I understand that in your eyes I am a moskal who ate all the bacon ON Ukrain. And have a brain of the size of the sunflower seed.

But you are different, you are smart and overburden with virtues. So, I am asking you, as a superior one, either shown me offician condemnation of russian actions as aggression or just put your tong in the mouth and hold it there untill you come up with the one.

One more time: I am not interested in your opinion. I am intersted in official condemnation from western countries.

I bet, Saakaki would not get help even from US.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

Haven't you finish your intellectual masochism on yourself, showing by your fantasies your inner world?
Hope you know that normal people using their hands to type comments, not their tong, and also I hope that you finally will stop worrying about my tong and mouth.

p.s. Judging by bits of information from your post, you still didn't manage to find official NATO statement about R.Federation invading Georgia? Huh?
((:

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

Since you seems do not understand English, I have to turn to russian - приведите какие-нибудь официальные документы правительств западной Европы или США, где они назвали бы Россию агрессором.

Ничего подобного Вы найти не можите. Так и молчите. Вы же умнее меня - по Вашим же словам интеллекта у меня нет, ну и всего прочего.

Потратьте время, найдите и суньте в мою москальскую харю ОФИЦИАЛЬНЫЙ ДОКУМЕНТ ЛЮБОГО ЗАПАДНОГО ГОСУДАРСТВА, ГДЕ РОССИЯ БЫЛА БЫ НАЗВАНА АГРЕССОРОМ.

Меня Ваше мнение, как и Ваши личные качества не интересуют. Свою ненависть к России и русским попридержите, вдруг потом пригодится. Дайте мне конкретный документ. Заявнение от Гос. Департамента, скажем.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

Obama talks to Rice about Georgia, condemns Russia
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12419.html

Nato chief condemns Russia
http://www.teletext.co.uk/news/national/2255ea3a8c97b8a05d469b45678e0d62/Nato+chief+condemns+Russia.aspx

Russia-Georgia reaction: world leaders condemn Moscow
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4497344.ece

- Russia has violated Georgia's territorial integrity
- the disproportionate use of force
- De Hoop Scheffer is calling for talks to restore Georgia's control over its breakaway province.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/10/europe/EU-NATO-Georgia-South-Ossetia.php
http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=8817431
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hV2N6fVKS5slf10A13Dj_uIdaZ4QD92FJCEG0
http://www.action3news.com/global/story.asp?s=8817431

p.s.
"...Вашим же словам интеллекта у меня нет..." Де я таке казав???
+
"...Saakaki.."
".. Yuschenko, who seems to have a soft-boiled egg instead of head...."
"... am a moskal who ate all the bacon ON Ukrain..."
"... have a brain of the size of the sunflower seed..."
"...москальскую харю..."
"...ненависть к России и русским..."

Don't try to imply that this words are mine.
They are lawfully yours.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

You may be interested to read this
http://www.kreml.org/interview/188852218

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

Do you really think that this web resource is the best place to find out about reaction of USA, EU, UN for R.Federation aggression against Georgia?

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

We were not talking just about reaction of US or EU.

So, I have gaven it to you since the analysis of situation is given in there to broaden your view.

Besides, Natasha posted another set of photos, from Tskhinval. Look at them as well.

I really hope that your prez would learn lesson.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[igorsova.livejournal.com]

I really hope is well, that lesson was learn not only by Ukrainian president, and Ukraine will join NATO even sooner than I thought.

Re: я не розрізняю...

[anikonov.livejournal.com]

good luck.